running/ferrying and price checks - ok in local? - Guild Wars Forums

free_fall · Jun 21, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01

I don't know it this has been addressed in some of the other threads, but might be useful to have a specifically labeled topic that Anet can use to clarify this.

1. Is advertising running or ferrying allowed in local chat? Ditto, asking for a run.

2. Is asking for price checks allowed in local chat?

On the 1st question, that would seem like possibly a grey area - while you're not selling an item, you are selling a service (or looking to buy this service). Not sure, though, if most people would consider this "trade" and think to use the trade chat for it. And it'd be a shame if someone got banned for this if the rules weren't clear.

On the 2nd question, you're not buying or selling anything, merely asking for opinions on an item's possible worth but, again, possibly a grey area.

Overall, the warning seems to already be proving amazingly effective. Kudos, Anet.

Miral · Jun 21, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

for running, I'd basically lump that into LFG. which is currently allowed in local, but should really be confined to party search tool. price checks, I'd try to keep to trade channel. or better yet, within an alliance chat or on the guru boards. asking worth in local is just asking to get scammed anyway.

justadude · Jun 21, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Hello,

my opinion is anything that results in a transfer of gold for goods or services rendered needs to be in Trade channel. Running is NOT the samne as LFG. It is a service rendered in exchange for payment. A transaction or a trade if you will. Ferrying is also a service rendered.

The trading of goods and services should be restricted to the Trade Channel even if they are free.

Price checks are a part of trading as they help determine value.

Gawa · Jun 21, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

impo, for those wanting to make money..ie offer a running service..that is a trade and thus should be in trade chat.

I guess it would then make sense if those wanting to buy said service..should also use trade chat.

Then we could get back to the sense in local chat of people forming groups and chatting and working together without profit nessessarily in mind

The reason i feel the need to comment in this thread is that last night i was mildly disgusted to see people offering a group for a mission...(which should be a great thing!) but then charging people for it!!!

I think that while its within peoples rights to pay someone to take them through a mission, and thus someone to earn from it; it is not what GW is about. It also makes it that little harder for the rest of us to get a full group at times.

(those that want a quick and sure thing.. ie "pro runner to droks" can just use trade chat to get a runner)

I agree with Miral, Price checks would be best and most sensible in trade, especially as you will get a more knowledgeable audience.

Malice Black · Jun 21, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Running services in local is fine by me. Many people have trade channel off, so the runners business could slump.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 21, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

Free running and ferrying is ok in local, if money is involved it should be in the trade channel.

onerabbit · Jun 21, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Advertising to run/ferry 4 money = selling .. therefore should be in the trade channel?

But you dont come across PC spam, so imo that is fine in local.

justadude · Jun 21, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Running services in local is fine by me. Many people have trade channel off, so the runners business could slump.

Well, geegollygosh Beaver, with the trade channel off people selling golds and greens might notice business slumping too. Lets just let the traders spam in local because we wouldnt want them loosing money since no one wanting to buy something or looking for a runner will think to look in the trade channel.

/sarcasm off

Dude, come on now. Your argument is inconsistent and makes no sense. It validates the spamming of local by traders.

Quaker · Jun 21, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Dam - you got your sarcasm in first.

So without the sarcasm - anyone actually looking for a runner or wanting to buy/sell something, should have the brains to turn Trade channel on while looking. Also, as mentioned, the under-used Search button in the party box is a useful tool. Although I don't mind the chat channel spam that much myself (because I usually have Trade & Chat turned off), I think of the Chat spammers as being as bad as telemarketers - I make it a habit that when I'm trying to buy something, I won't even buy from someone who's spamming Chat. (telemarketers I simply hang-up on.

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Aera Lure · Jun 21, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by justadude

Well, geegollygosh Beaver, with the trade channel off people selling golds and greens might notice business slumping too. Lets just let the traders spam in local because we wouldnt want them loosing money since no one wanting to buy something or looking for a runner will think to look in the trade channel.

People have trade channel off because they arent looking to buy anything, so sales dont slump in any way. Sarcasm or not.

Players looking for a run, irregardless of whether its free or not, do so on the All channel traditionally, since they're basically LFG, and a potential runner may not be advertising but have All channel on. Price checks are fine on the All channel too. Personally when I run, though I havent in some time, I advertise on the trade channel. I simply listen to the All channel. Certainly that's what I would do now.

Alex Morningstar · Jun 21, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

"Repeating in-game chat to an excessive degree ("spamming")."

If you are selling runs for money, do it in trade because you're selling a service.

If you are promoting your run in the usual manner in which objects/services are sold on GW, then you're probably spamming 'RUNNING TO LA, 3k. 4/6' over and over until you get a group of 6.

If the running market slumps because of it, all well. Rules are rules, too bad anet waited so long to finally do something about the trade spam.

Quantum Duck · Jun 21, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

These would be good questions to have clarified by the same people who posted the announcement about keeping trade in the trade channel.

My personal opinion would be that offering runs falls into the catagory of LFG, even if there is money involved, and I wouldn't have a problem with that going to local. Price checks sound like trade chat to me.

But both are ambiguous enough that I'm really not sure which they would be considered.

GodofAcid · Jun 21, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I wouldn't mind seeing a services chat for this type of thing.. ya know, it's not that alot of us are against people trying to sell their ferrying and whatnot, it's when it becomes disruptive that it's a problem. For instance, 4 or 5 of us were enjoying the new local chat in Kamadan D1 today, having a nice conversation, and one particular jerk began spamming his guild recruitment over and over. At that point, he was making it difficult for us to see what we were saying to each other. I mean really, is that necessary? What right does someone like that have to disrupt other people? Those are the ones that are the problem, but if someone wants to pitch their running services, etc. in a non-disruptive and considerate manner, I don't think many people will have an issue with that. This isn't about making people walk on eggshells, this is about being reasonable. Just asking for a bit of consideration towards other players.

Healers Wisper · Jun 21, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I would say that running is like lfg personally. I can understand the keep it in trade arguement. My only thing to ask is do the lvl 20's selling help in newb area need to do it in trade to? "Lvl 20 helping with mission 2K Masters 2/4" this is a form of LFG but money is being exchanged, I am confused

GranDeWun · Jun 21, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

>>>1. Is advertising running or ferrying allowed in local chat?
Not if you spam it repeatedly.

>>>2. Is asking for price checks allowed in local chat?
Not if you spam it repeatedly.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jun 21, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranDeWun

>>>1. Is advertising running or ferrying allowed in local chat?
Not if you spam it repeatedly.

>>>2. Is asking for price checks allowed in local chat?
Not if you spam it repeatedly.

QFT.

I dont mind the price check, the LFG, Runner advertisment in local chat. As long as it isnt spammed, I am fine with it.

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 21, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Hopefully people will start getting into the habit of using the Party search window for stuff lie ferrys. It's not as horrid as some make it out to be. You can fit "Ferry to docks, 500g" in there.

Tannim · Jun 22, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

I dont mind it in local channel. But it would be nice to have a "LFG" type channel .. but isnt that what the party window is for?

Either or, as long as we dont get tons of spamming LFG bots ...

StarrTheInsane · Jun 24, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

I actually like using the party search for ferrying. It lets people from all districts see it and they can join the group from there. I generally ferry for tips, so I put it in the "quest" section of the search. When I do advertise in chat it's an occasional offer in trade chat, or I wait for someone to request in local and whisper them. I have done my best to stay away from local chat for it, because it is a grey area.

Jun 21, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01	#1
free_fall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	running/ferrying and price checks - ok in local? I don't know it this has been addressed in some of the other threads, but might be useful to have a specifically labeled topic that Anet can use to clarify this. 1. Is advertising running or ferrying allowed in local chat? Ditto, asking for a run. 2. Is asking for price checks allowed in local chat? On the 1st question, that would seem like possibly a grey area - while you're not selling an item, you are selling a service (or looking to buy this service). Not sure, though, if most people would consider this "trade" and think to use the trade chat for it. And it'd be a shame if someone got banned for this if the rules weren't clear. On the 2nd question, you're not buying or selling anything, merely asking for opinions on an item's possible worth but, again, possibly a grey area. Overall, the warning seems to already be proving amazingly effective. Kudos, Anet.

Jun 21, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57	#5
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	Running services in local is fine by me. Many people have trade channel off, so the runners business could slump. __________________ Old Skool '05

Jun 21, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#6
Rocky Raccoon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA Guild: Guardians of the Cosmos Profession: R/Mo	Free running and ferrying is ok in local, if money is involved it should be in the trade channel. Last edited by Rocky Raccoon; Jun 21, 2007 at 02:04 PM // 14:04..

Jun 21, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#13
GodofAcid Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Massachusetts, USA Profession: E/	I wouldn't mind seeing a services chat for this type of thing.. ya know, it's not that alot of us are against people trying to sell their ferrying and whatnot, it's when it becomes disruptive that it's a problem. For instance, 4 or 5 of us were enjoying the new local chat in Kamadan D1 today, having a nice conversation, and one particular jerk began spamming his guild recruitment over and over. At that point, he was making it difficult for us to see what we were saying to each other. I mean really, is that necessary? What right does someone like that have to disrupt other people? Those are the ones that are the problem, but if someone wants to pitch their running services, etc. in a non-disruptive and considerate manner, I don't think many people will have an issue with that. This isn't about making people walk on eggshells, this is about being reasonable. Just asking for a bit of consideration towards other players. Last edited by GodofAcid; Jun 21, 2007 at 06:20 PM // 18:20..

Jun 21, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17	#2
Miral Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ Guild: The Gear Trick [GEAR] Profession: W/A	for running, I'd basically lump that into LFG. which is currently allowed in local, but should really be confined to party search tool. price checks, I'd try to keep to trade channel. or better yet, within an alliance chat or on the guru boards. asking worth in local is just asking to get scammed anyway.

Jun 21, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43	#3
justadude Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2006 Profession: R/Mo	Hello, my opinion is anything that results in a transfer of gold for goods or services rendered needs to be in Trade channel. Running is NOT the samne as LFG. It is a service rendered in exchange for payment. A transaction or a trade if you will. Ferrying is also a service rendered. The trading of goods and services should be restricted to the Trade Channel even if they are free. Price checks are a part of trading as they help determine value.

Jun 21, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51	#4
Gawa Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2007 Guild: [Oldschool Respect and Honour]	impo, for those wanting to make money..ie offer a running service..that is a trade and thus should be in trade chat. I guess it would then make sense if those wanting to buy said service..should also use trade chat. Then we could get back to the sense in local chat of people forming groups and chatting and working together without profit nessessarily in mind The reason i feel the need to comment in this thread is that last night i was mildly disgusted to see people offering a group for a mission...(which should be a great thing!) but then charging people for it!!! I think that while its within peoples rights to pay someone to take them through a mission, and thus someone to earn from it; it is not what GW is about. It also makes it that little harder for the rest of us to get a full group at times. (those that want a quick and sure thing.. ie "pro runner to droks" can just use trade chat to get a runner) I agree with Miral, Price checks would be best and most sensible in trade, especially as you will get a more knowledgeable audience.

Jun 21, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21	#7
onerabbit Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Thanks to all the guru [mods]	Advertising to run/ferry 4 money = selling .. therefore should be in the trade channel? But you dont come across PC spam, so imo that is fine in local.

Jun 21, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35	#9
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	Dam - you got your sarcasm in first. So without the sarcasm - anyone actually looking for a runner or wanting to buy/sell something, should have the brains to turn Trade channel on while looking. Also, as mentioned, the under-used Search button in the party box is a useful tool. Although I don't mind the chat channel spam that much myself (because I usually have Trade & Chat turned off), I think of the Chat spammers as being as bad as telemarketers - I make it a habit that when I'm trying to buy something, I won't even buy from someone who's spamming Chat. (telemarketers I simply hang-up on. )

Jun 21, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25	#11
Alex Morningstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance Profession: Mo/	"Repeating in-game chat to an excessive degree ("spamming")." If you are selling runs for money, do it in trade because you're selling a service. If you are promoting your run in the usual manner in which objects/services are sold on GW, then you're probably spamming 'RUNNING TO LA, 3k. 4/6' over and over until you get a group of 6. If the running market slumps because of it, all well. Rules are rules, too bad anet waited so long to finally do something about the trade spam.

Jun 21, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04	#12
Quantum Duck Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Err7 Profession: Me/	These would be good questions to have clarified by the same people who posted the announcement about keeping trade in the trade channel. My personal opinion would be that offering runs falls into the catagory of LFG, even if there is money involved, and I wouldn't have a problem with that going to local. Price checks sound like trade chat to me. But both are ambiguous enough that I'm really not sure which they would be considered.

Jun 21, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16	#14
Healers Wisper Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anaheim, CA Guild: BoMB Profession: N/	I would say that running is like lfg personally. I can understand the keep it in trade arguement. My only thing to ask is do the lvl 20's selling help in newb area need to do it in trade to? "Lvl 20 helping with mission 2K Masters 2/4" this is a form of LFG but money is being exchanged, I am confused

Jun 21, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34	#15
GranDeWun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	>>>1. Is advertising running or ferrying allowed in local chat? Not if you spam it repeatedly. >>>2. Is asking for price checks allowed in local chat? Not if you spam it repeatedly.

Jun 21, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#17
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	Hopefully people will start getting into the habit of using the Party search window for stuff lie ferrys. It's not as horrid as some make it out to be. You can fit "Ferry to docks, 500g" in there.

Jun 22, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54	#18
Tannim Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007	I dont mind it in local channel. But it would be nice to have a "LFG" type channel .. but isnt that what the party window is for? Either or, as long as we dont get tons of spamming LFG bots ...

Jun 24, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#19
StarrTheInsane Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Stephenville, TX Profession: D/W	I actually like using the party search for ferrying. It lets people from all districts see it and they can join the group from there. I generally ferry for tips, so I put it in the "quest" section of the search. When I do advertise in chat it's an occasional offer in trade chat, or I wait for someone to request in local and whisper them. I have done my best to stay away from local chat for it, because it is a grey area.